In a recent conversation concerning evolution, I was actually accused of reading Christian commentary [ this is another absolute no-no, totally out of bounds in their view, because, well just because we're obviously intolerant and hateful]. I do! I like credibility. I like to know that the authors of the material I read are constrained by an absolutist ideology in which the spewing of propaganda in an effort to recruit a following, or effect a desired result is out of bounds. But it is true, I'm just an echo like most every one else. I prefer to echo the truth so lets see what actually came out of the Founding Fathers mouths regarding the virtue of a nation.
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." ------ Samuel Adams
"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure, which denounces against the wicked eternal misery, and insured to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free government." ----- Charles Carrol
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion .... Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people, It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." ---- John Adams
"Our liberty depends on our education, our laws and habits.... it is founded on morals and religion, whose authority reigns in the heart, and on the influence all these produce on public opinion before that opinion governs rulers." ------Fisher Ames, framer of the First Amendment
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." ------ Benjamin Franklin
"Give up money, give up fame, give up science, give up the earth itself and all it contains rather than do an immoral act. And never suppose that in any possible situation, or under any circumstance, it is best for you to do a dishonorable thing, however slightly so it may appear to you. Whenever you are to do a thing, though it can never be known but to your self, ask yourself how you would act were all the world looking at you, and act accordingly. Encourage all your virtuous dispositions, and exercise them whenever an opportunity arises, being assured that they will gain strength by exercise, as a limb of the body does, and that exercise will make them habitual. From the practice of the purest virtue, you may be assured you will derive the most sublime comforts in every moment of life, and in the moment of death." ----- Thomas Jefferson
"It cannot be emphasized to strongly that ... this great nation was founded by Christians ... not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ." ------- Patrick Henry
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace them all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice?
And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of the refined on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric? ----- George Washington's [speech upon leaving office]
Anyone who investigates into the actual writings of our Founding Fathers and espouses the socialist nonsense of separation of church and state, the murder of the helpless, and invasive intrusion of government, is hopelessly ignorant or just a liar like their father. This bears repeating ----- " Where is the security for property, for reputation, FOR LIFE, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, [that's what our politicians and judges do when they swear to uphold the constitution and then laughingly, like Hillary, desert the oath in the next breath] which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice?"
I would say that it's safe to assume the integrity level of the Founding Fathers is miles above what we see in office today. So what's the driving force of "our end justifies the means crowd?" Let's look at what comes out the horses mouth and fuels our opposing ideology.
"The magnitude of a lie always contains a certain flavor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity, they more easily fall a victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big." ------ excerpt from Mein Kampf --- Adolph Hitler
The fact that groups like ACT-UP [militant homosexual group], boastfully admits this as their model, along with intimidation, is becoming the norm not the exception. The widespread use is simply because it works, immoral as it is, but what the heck, the end justifies the means.
"I will not accept that [creation] philosophically, because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution." -----George Wald --- Nobel Prize Winner
"We no longer feel ourselves to be guests in someone else's home and therefore obliged to make our behavior conform with a set of pre-existing rules. It's our creation now. We make the rules. We establish the parameters of reality.We create the world and because we do, we no longer feel beholden to outside forces." ----Jeremy Rifgin ---"Ageny"
" The goal of this organization is to further communism." ----- Roger Baldwin -----Founder of the ACLU
Every child in America who enters school at the age of five is mentally ill, because he comes to school with allegiance toward our elected officials, toward our founding fathers, toward our institutions, toward the preservation of this form of government .... Patriotism, nationalism, sovereignty, all that proves that children are sick because the truly well individual is one who has rejected all those things and is what I would call the true international child of the future." --- Dr. Chester Pierce, Harvard University
"National socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable." ----- Martin Bormann, nazi socialist
"Democracy is the road to socialism."
"The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."
"Time is everything, man is nothing: he is at most time's carcass."
"The theory of communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property."
"The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion." ---- Karl Marx
In my previous post I stated my belief in the ideological playground and freedom accompanying our Judeo Christian heritage. Unless my thinking process is completely skewed, I"d be hard pressed to see the same playground in the socialist camp, and despite the constant reassurances that it's for my own good, despite the fact that millions of undesirables are always sacrificed for their utopia, and that it has yet to produce anything but a living hell on earth, I'm afraid I'm still somewhat reluctant to support another shot at it even if we are using some of the most advanced manipulating and deceptive techniques ever devised by man.
One more excerpt..."Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against His anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: The Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, thou art my Son; this day have I begotten Thee. Ask of Me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt bash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, oh ye kings: be instructed, be judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and ye perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him." ---- God speaking from His Holy Scriptures, Psalm 2